[amsat-bb] Orbitron will localize for you position of satellites in given time.

["Amsat2005" <Amsat2005@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Any one try orbitron yet.?
http://www.stoff.pl/orbit.htm

Ve3hsc
144.214 USB
www.hamradio.50megs.com
Scott
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edward R. Cole" <al7eb@ptialaska.net>
To: "Louis A. Mamakos" <louie@TransSys.COM>
Cc: <amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org>
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: new 5.8ghz cordless phones


> Louis<
>
> I am really reluctant to reply...this topic "2.4 GHz spread-spectrum" has
> been thrashed to death lately (though maybe not on AMSAT-bb).
>
> At 04:58 PM 12/9/02 -0500, Louis A. Mamakos wrote:
> >> Uhuh!
> >>
> >> And lets not forget that 5760 MHz is the amateur cw/eme frequency!  I
guess
> >> another mw ham-band bites the dust!  Strange how our ham microwave
> >> allocations have been chosen for occupancy by all these "unlicensed"
> >> commercial users!  Soon the only freq. left for ham use will be "above"
> >> 200-meters...see what our reward is for extending the frontiers of
radio!?
> >
> >Just to play the devil's advocate for a moment; do you believe that hams
> >have used the 2.4GHz spectrum to extend the frontiers for radio more than
> >the part 15 use of that ISM spectrum?
>
> Short answer...Yes!  Where were the part-15 folks in 1955 when hams were
> exploring microwave propagation?  If you really were to research the
> subject, you would be amazed how much radio technology was first explored
> by hams.  Eliminate ham radio and maybe you kill the spark for the future!
>
>   It's amazing to me to see all the
> >neat ways that people are using 802.11b direct sequence spread specturm
> >radios.
>
> And how does this benefit hams that are using 2.4 or 5.7 GHz as properly
> licensed users?  I refer to the ham who has built his own station from the
> ground-up and is working over greater distances for many years before what
> the part-15 crowd is just discovering?  Hams have all done this before.
> How does this benefit the weak-signal ham who now has to contend with 10
to
> 15 dB more ambient noise?  How does this benefit Amsat if their expensive
> new satellites are rendered unusable?
>
> >The regulatory landscape that's set up encourages a lot of interesting
> >activities by industry and end users and while lots of it was just
> >plain crap, some really good came from it and resulted in some nice
> >technology being available.
>
> For whom?
>
>   And those products have produced a large
> >and vocal user base that the FCC and other government agencies will
> >find difficult to ignore.
>
> And that makes it right?
>
> >One hope that some have is that the success of these part 15 unlicenced
> >products will result in perhaps new ways for the FCC to manage spectrum
> >rather than making exclusive assignments to single licensees (think about
> >how cellular carriers get access to spectrum).  This in turn might
> >reduce the pressure on amateur allocations in the futre.  Maybe.
>
> Boy this last statement is a real reach...I don't buy it.  I see no
benefit
> to ham radio having their frequencies usurped by unlicensed hobbyist that
> have no regard to the damage they inflict on pre-existing services!  The
> "new way" FCC manages the spectrum is to give it away, or sell  it to the
> highest bidder!  This resembles Class-D CB!  Eleven-meters was once
> ham-band, too!
>
> If the part-15 crowd could do their stuff without damaging other services
I
> might have a different view!  I thought the FCC learned from the CB
> scandal...apparently not!  Effective managemanet is "no" management?
>
> I will not debate this further...amsat-bb does not deserve it.
>
> Ed - AL7EB
>
>
>
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