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10GHz LNBs etc.

I have serveal analog LNBs which are now easy and cheep to come by in
Australia and I have been thinking of how to convert them. I haven't
suceeded yet mainly becauce of the need to find the time. Some amateurs in
Europe have been quite sucessful and have even turned the transistors around
in certain units (including power & bias etc.) and managed to get 80mW of TX
output in the 10 GHz band with about 5mW of  L-band ATV input!

The input filter (microstrip) needs to be modified for weak signal RX. The
image rejection is not that good and so the units will see a 3cm signal if
it is strong enough. No good for satelite RX though. I have heard of various
amateurs soldering 2mm x 2mm squares of brass shim to the ends of parts of
the microstrip filter to retune it to 10.0-10.5 GHz sucessfully. The DROs
which are the LOs do drift a bit though.

Murray Peterson
Sydney, NSW, Australia

----- Original Message -----
From: "Keeth Jim (Indy)" <KeethJ@tce.com>
To: <amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org>; "'Bruce Bostwick'" <lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 8:02 AM
Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Prime Star Dishes etc.

> Bruce,
> I can't speak for the PrimeStar LNBs, but the DirecTV units are actually
> quite similar to analog LNBs.  The input frequency is the band 12.2 to
> GHz.   This band is down converted to 950 to 1450 MHz.  The LO is at 11.25
> GHz +/- a couple of MHz.
> These units actually have two front ends, one for right hand circular
> polarization, one for left.  The DC voltage on the coax powers the unit
> also switches either the left or right downconverted signal to output.
> switch-over point is about 15 volts...  A DC lower than 15 gets you one
> polarization, higher than 15 gets you the other.
> If you do the math, you find the image freuqency band is 9.8 to 10.3 GHz
> pretty close to 10.451 GHz!  The problem is, there is a microstrip band
> filter which passes only the 12.2 to 12.7 band and provides pretty good
> image rejection.  Someone who is very clever might find a way to cut that
> filter out and make it work for the 10.4 GHz band.
> The reason your IRD can only receive one channel at a time is that it only
> has enough processing power to decode the bit stream from one transponder
> a time and generate one analog video and associated audio signals.
> 73,
> Jim AF9A
> > ----------
> > From: Bruce Bostwick
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2001 1:14 PM
> > To: amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org
> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Prime Star Dishes etc.
> >
> > A reply sent to me only, but I'm replying to the list in case my answer
> > either useful or factually flawed ..
> >
> > IIRC, the DirecTV and PrimeStar type dishes differ from a typical analog
> > TVRO in that they have narrowband LNB's with a passband about the size
> > one downlink transponder and a 70 MHz IF instead of an broadband L-band
> > output, and instead of having a fixed LO they use a VCO circuit that is
> > tuned by the LNB supply voltage on the coax.  (Which is why you can only
> > get one channel per LNB and need a dual LNB and a second IRD to drive a
> > second TV..)  My guess is that the IRD uses some sort of feedback
> > and maybe a pilot signal on the downlink to keep the signal on
> > The LNB on these residential grade units is actually the LO, mixer, and
> > first IF stage of a two-part Ku-band receiver -- the IRD is more of a
> > second IF stage with a microcontroller to manage the whole thing and
> > control the digital decoder machinery.
> >
> > If my assumptions are correct, then there's probably considerable out of
> > band RX capability in the LNB, since it needs to be guaranteed
> > stable on DBS transponder freqs, and the 10GHz band is probably well
> > within
> > reach from the 11-12GHz Ku-band digital downlinks.  You could certainly
> > test that by feeding the LNB a variable supply voltage and watching the
> > noise output to see where the limits of LO stability are, and if you can
> > find a known Ku-band signal like an analog downlink you may even be able
> > to
> > tell if it's an inverting or non-inverting mixer.  (Probably
> > non-inverting,
> > since analog TVRO LNB's on Ku-band are generally non-inverting -- lower
> > frequency and thus a cheaper LNB..)  Be sure not to overvoltage the LNB,
> > or
> > you'll probably burn it out.
> >
> > If anyone can verify this, or correct any errors I've made, please post
> > the list .. ;-)
> >
> > >One of the ARRL Microwave Experimenters' Manuals mentions it and using
> > LNB
> > >for 10 GHz, but I couldn't find any technical details.
> > >
> > >Bruce Bostwick wrote:
> > >
> > >> Curious about this myself as well .. they would make decent
> > >> since they have a Ku-band LNA and downconverter built in.  Pick up
> > and
> > >> put an upconverter on the other one, and you might be able to make
> > 10
> > >> GHz SSB contacts.  (Bonus points if you can design and build a good
> > duplex
> > >> feed and combine TX/RX into one dish ..
> >
> >
> > "Orthodoxy is orthodoxy because it won, not because it is true." -- Bp.
> > John Spong
> >  "Power takes as ingratitude the writhing of its victims." --
> > Tagore
> >                --... ...-- -.. . -. ..... ...- -...
> >          Bruce Bostwick  mailto:lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
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