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RE: 100 years of Great Women.

OOPs.....  was not meant to go to this list...  profuse apology.

With a very red face.

Vy73,  Mike.   KD9KC    MARS: AAV6EV
kd9kc@elp.rr.com  -  kd9kc@amsat.org
Home page: http://www.qsl.net/kd9kc/
The farthest WEST ham in West Texas.
El Paso, where we have two seasons;
Summer, and Christmas.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ian Coots [mailto:icoots@barwonwater.vic.gov.au]
> Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 5:30 AM
> To: kd9kc@elp.rr.com; gsfrey@elp.rr.com
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] 100 years of Great Women.
> All well and good, but what happened to the theory that 
> Ian Coots VK3YIC
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael P. Olbrisch <kd9kc@elp.rr.com>
> To: gsfrey@elp.rr.com <gsfrey@elp.rr.com>
> Date: Friday, 27 August 1999 15:16
> Subject: [amsat-bb] 100 years of Great Women.
> >Hey there,
> >
> > Don't know how much truth is in this, but I trust Dale
> >so I expect much or all of this is true.  I was too young for
> >Viet Nam, but Dale was there, and is still paying for it.
> >
> >Y-all have a great day.
> >
> >
> >
> >Vy73,  Mike.   KD9KC    MARS: AAV6EV
> >kd9kc@elp.rr.com  -  kd9kc@amsat.org
> >Home page: http://www.qsl.net/kd9kc/
> >The farthest WEST ham in West Texas.
> >
> >An armed society is a polite society.
> >
> >================================================
> >Hanoi Jane, American Traitor Bitch.
> >
> >Dale N. Richardson, AA5XE
> >aa5xe@ktc.com
> >
> >---------
> >From: John Dill <jdill1927@powerh.net>
> >To: fant367709@aol.com; gwdillatsaff@webtv.net; vittetoe@ixpres.com;
> >janicedill@powerh.net; n4353@cnsp.navy.mil; 
> cpgarbanzo@worldnet.att.net;
> >mrguido@bellsouth.net; jlloyd@scires.com; rbmiller@aol.com;
> >moorer@champint.com; aa5xe@ktc.com; larryjscott@juno.com;
> >thompsonm2@navair.navy.mil; pvittetoe@hotmail.com
> >Subject: "100 Years of Great Women" /  Hanoi Jane
> >Date: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 9:00 AM
> >
> >(To include Jane Fonda in "100 Years of Great Women"
> >prompted the following)
> >
> >
> >Lest we forget ... "100 years of great women" -- Jane Fonda
> >should never be considered.    The first part of this is from an
> >F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.
> >
> >Folks,
> >
> >There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but
> >Jane Fonda's participation in what I believe to be blatant treason,
> >is one of them.  Part of my conviction comes from exposure to
> >those who suffered her attentions.
> >
> >In 1978, the Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a
> >former POW in Ho Lo Prison -- the "Hanoi Hilton."   Dragged from
> >a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean
> >PJs, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American "Peace
> >Activist" the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd received.
> >
> >He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and dragged away.  During
> >the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the camp
> >Commandant's feet, accidentally pulling the man's shoe off --
> >which sent that officer berserk.   In '78, the AF Colonel still
> >suffered from double vision -- permanently grounding him --
> >from the Vietnamese Colonel's frenzied application of his wooden
> >baton.
> >
> >>From 1983-85, Col Larry Carrigan was the 347th FW/DO (F-4Es).
> >He'd spent 6  years in the "Hilton" -- the first three of which he
> >was "missing in action".  His wife lived on faith that he was still
> >alive.   His group, too, got the cleaned /fed /clothed routine in
> >preparation for a "peace delegation" visit.  They, however, had
> >time and devised a plan to get word  to the world that they still
> >survived.   Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his SSN
> >on it, in the palm of his hand.   When paraded before Ms. Fonda
> >and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand
> >and asking little encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you  sorry you
> >bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane treatment
> >from your benevolent captors?"
> >
> >Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver
> >of paper.   She took them all without missing a beat.  At the end
> >of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked
> >disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge ... and
> >handed him the little pile.
> >
> >Three men died from the subsequent beatings.  Colonel Carrigan
> >was almost number four.
> >
> >For years after their release, a group of determined former POWs,
> >including Col. Carrigan, tried to bring Ms. Fonda and others up on
> >charges of treason.   I don't know that they used it, but the charge
> >of  "Negligent Homicide due to Depraved Indifference" would also
> >seem appropriate.   Her obvious "granting of aid and comfort to
> >the enemy," alone, should've been sufficient for the treason count.
> >
> >However, to date, Jane Fonda has never been formally charged with
> >anything and continues to enjoy the privileged life of the rich and
> >famous.
> >
> >I, personally, think that this is shame on us, the American 
> Citizenry.
> >Part of our shortfall is ignorance: most don't know such actions ever
> >took place.  Thought you might appreciate the knowledge.  Most of
> >you've probably already seen this by now ...  only addition I might
> >add to these sentiments is to remember the satisfaction of  relieving
> >myself into the urinal at some air base or another where  "zaps" of
> >Hanoi Jane's @#&#$% face had been applied.
> >
> >===========================
> >
> >To whom it may concern:
> >
> >I was a civilian economic development advisor in Viet Nam, and was
> >captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Viet Nam in
> >1968, and held for over 5 years.   I spent 27 months in solitary
> >confinement, one year in a cage in Cambodia, and one year in a
> >"black box" in Hanoi.
> >
> >My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a
> >female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South
> >Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border.
> >
> >At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs.  (My normal weight
> >is 170 lbs).
> >
> >We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."   When Jane Fonda was in
> >Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I
> >would be willing to meet with Jane Fonda.  I said yes, for I would
> >like to tell her about the real treatment we POWs were receiving,
> >which was far different from the treatment purported by the North
> >Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane Fonda, as "humane and lenient."
> >
> >Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees
> >with outstretched arms with a piece of steel rebar placed on my
> >hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane every time my arms dipped.
> >
> >I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours
> >after I was released.   I asked her if she would be willing to debate
> >me on TV.  She did not answer me.   Her husband, Tom Hayden,
> >answered for her.   She was mind controlled by her husband.  This
> >does not exemplify someone who should be honored as "100 Years
> >of Great Women."
> >
> >After I was released, I was asked what I thought of Jane Fonda
> >and the anti-war movement.  I said that I held Joan Baez's husband
> >in very high regard, for he thought the war was wrong, burned his
> >draft card and went to prison in protest.  If the other anti-war
> >protesters took this same route, it would have brought our judicial
> >system to a halt and ended the war much earlier, and there wouldn't
> >be as many on that somber black granite wall called the Vietnam
> >Memorial.  This is democracy.   This is the American way.
> >
> >Jane Fonda, on the other hand, chose to be a traitor, and went to
> >Hanoi, wore their uniform, propagandized for the communists, and
> >urged American soldiers to desert.   As we were being tortured,
> >and some of the POWs murdered, she called us liars.   After her
> >heros -- the North Vietnamese communists -- took over South
> >Vietnam, they systematically murdered 80,000 South Vietnamese
> >political prisoners.  May their souls rest on her head forever.
> >
> >Shame!    Shame!
> >
> >History is a heavy sword in the hands of those who refuse to forget
> >it.  Think of this the next time you see Ms. Fonda-Turner at  a
> >Braves game.
> >
> >================================================
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